IS TNA BECOMING THE NEW WCW [Archive]

yankees25m

07-07-2006, 10:37 AM

While X Division is awesome, it is still just a feather/cruiser weight division :P nothing special about it, just a cooler name. I love TNA, and I think it will eventually be the #1 name in wrestling, and I want to be a part of that, but WWE will be "best" for a while.

It's a cruiserweight division? Samoa Joe weighs 290. If being 290 makes you cruiserweight, then Triple H and Mick Foley must be too. They both are close to Joe's weight. The X Division has nothing to do with weight. It just means that the wrestlers in it are ridiculously athletic and are allowed to do high risk moves.

JStorm

07-07-2006, 11:09 AM

Ok, does that justify Rey Mysterio being a "heavyweight"

RMLegend

07-07-2006, 11:42 AM

GETTING OLD WWE WRESTLERS TO PROMOTE THE CO.
NOT PUSHING THE YOUNGER TALENT
SECOND RATE ANNOUNCERS
o man the anouncers piss me off the one guy everytime he gets like excited while hes talking to fast he makes this annoying noise while he breathes

JStorm

07-07-2006, 05:49 PM

TNA is NOT the new WCW just because they have Sting. They aren't the new WCW because they will not fail and be bought out by WWE like WCW.

M180ss

07-10-2006, 02:46 PM

TNA will never be the #1 name in wrestling, cause that means that they would have to be the #1 show and that will never happen.

SUCK IT

07-10-2006, 03:08 PM

Tna cant turn in 2 WCW all they got is Sting and it can't be a 1 man old school show

MrAwesome

07-10-2006, 03:21 PM

Sting , Jeff Jarrett , Scott Steiner , Kevin Nash , Konnan and Goldberg in talks .. sounds like WCW to me

thatguy

07-10-2006, 04:20 PM

yes, TNA = WCW

Lenny90210

07-10-2006, 04:31 PM

tna = suckiest wrestling company ever and will be buried by wwe.

all hail vincent kennedy mcmahon.

tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks

Lenny90210

07-10-2006, 04:33 PM

Sting , Jeff Jarrett , Scott Steiner , Kevin Nash , Konnan and Goldberg

and all of those wrestlers are hasbeens.or better yet never were.lol.tna sucks dick

ShowStopper81

07-10-2006, 04:35 PM

TNA is like WCW cuz the x-division is like the cruiserweight division

MORSN417

07-10-2006, 05:18 PM

Good, TNA is becoming the new WCW. So that means Vince will buy them out, but first DX will invade iMpact!

Lenny90210

07-10-2006, 05:55 PM

vince will buy it sometime soon.but the only way dx would invade tna is if they were bigger.

just listen to me.say your a 12th grader and a pre-schooler calls you out(whice would never happen.lol)you wouldn't responed to the kid.

thats the same thing thats going on here wwe = 12th grader:tna= pre-schooler.

fatman113

07-12-2006, 09:09 PM

I like tna but they will never be #1, they don't have the money two get the really big names that is how wcw competed with wwe they bought wwe talent away from Vince, Vince Russo killed the wcw unless tna gets some real money behind them they will never last after they grow and really start to compete Vince will buy them out but not yet :chairshot

yankees25m

07-12-2006, 09:57 PM

Ok, does that justify Rey Mysterio being a "heavyweight"

Are you saying that Rey Mysterio weighs about the same as Samoa Joe? Rey Mysterio is listed by WWE.com as weighing 165 lbs.

JStorm

07-13-2006, 12:24 AM

just listen to me.say your a 12th grader and a pre-schooler calls you out(whice would never happen.lol)you wouldn't responed to the kid.

thats the same thing thats going on here wwe = 12th grader:tna= pre-schooler.

Ok, you are correct. But the 12 grader moves on and before long the pre schooler becomes the 12th grader.

DX 1892

07-24-2006, 11:13 PM

dont they have lex luger..?

yankees25m

07-25-2006, 09:18 AM

Luger was on impact for about two weeks. He never wrestled any matches. I dont think hes been in TNA since.

Hitman

07-25-2006, 09:25 AM

TNA looks alot like WCW because they have alot of their old wrestlers.

yankees25m

07-25-2006, 10:27 AM

It seems that TNA's talent is very experienced like Sting or Jarrett, or any other one from WCW. But they also have a lot of young talent that seems to be overlooked such as Jay Lethal, AJ Styles, Chris Sabin or Sonjay Dutt.

hitman_walker

07-25-2006, 09:14 PM

Yes it is turning into the new wcw, but one differnce is it will never beat wwe in ratings.

Raiden

07-26-2006, 06:23 AM

o man the anouncers piss me off the one guy everytime he gets like excited while hes talking to fast he makes this annoying noise while he breathes

lol..thats got to be real annoying

Hitman

07-26-2006, 06:36 AM

The announcers are so over dramatic it sounds like your watching a soap opera with real bad acting.

yankees25m

07-26-2006, 10:23 AM

Do you guys actually think the WWE announcers are any good?

Hitman

07-26-2006, 10:44 AM

WWE announcers are not that bad. They are experienced and are entertaining.

madcat

07-26-2006, 03:15 PM

GREYGHOST

07-26-2006, 04:14 PM

I was thinking more of how TNA is bringing in the established stars (from WCW/WWE) and then only using them in the main event spots. The fact is that TNA is slighting the younger stars to build their audience. Do they have a number of talented wrestlers? Yes, but they choose to use the younger guys as a build to the established guys. If they were smart instead of having Sting coming and go after JJ, they would have him wrestle guys like A.J., Daniels, Sabin, Williams, etc. Use him to establish new talent. That is exactly what WCW didn't do. WCW let guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, etc. flounder the same way and look what happened. I like TNA's wrestlers, but if you look at the company objectively then you can see that it is setting itself up to fail.

wolfpac#1

07-27-2006, 01:27 AM

I like Mike Tenay but Don West does suck!

Why is TNA some new tipe of WCW because they have WCW wrestlers?
I don't get that analogy!
Is WWE also WCW because they have Shane Helms, Chavo , Rey, Booker T, Ric Flair, Chris Benoit, William Regal just to name a few...
Or is TNA a new WWE because they have Chistian, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, The Dudleys, Rhino, Jeff Hardy and others...

Or maybe TNA made contracts with established wrestlers to improve audiences on Spike TV in order to grow so we wrestling fans may have an alternative and watch some great matches like AJ & Daniels vs AMW, LAX vs The Truth & Sonjay. And what about LAX vs AJ & Daniels at Hard Justice???

They need to improve a lot but give them some time and they are puting some great matches for the fans. Stop Bitching!

you sumed it up 4 me man thanks . IMO its great for the biz when you have more then just one co. competing it makes for better wrestling aswell as stuff you have not seen b4. when WWF/WCW were having the monday night wars was some of the best wrestling I have ever seen. anyway people TNA is here 2 stay like it or not and to answer your question NO TNA IS NOT WCW

HHHKingOfKings

07-27-2006, 11:57 AM

yea i see tna as the next wcw................. but they would have to aquire some old wcw stars that are still in shape and want to be wrestling fulltime again

12345

07-28-2006, 07:51 PM

tna = suckiest wrestling company ever and will be buried by wwe.

all hail vincent kennedy mcmahon.

tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks, tna sucks
r u kidding tna is awesome. u actually get good matches w/ moves u'd never see in wwe

ecw_ecw_ecw

08-10-2006, 12:03 AM

tna is a good a cenas wrestling ability

BlissNBase107

08-11-2006, 12:59 AM

The only things left to make TNA the nu WCW is Goldberg, and the NWO which they will never have due to Vince haveing copyrights

iEdge

08-11-2006, 04:11 AM

TNA is good now...so was WCW and look what happened. I think down the road the same will happen with TNA,,, they will get a better timeslot(hopefully) and conquer the rating...excactly what WCW did for I think it was 80 consecutive weeks. TNA gives the Mid-Carders let go by WWE that could of been a good Main Eventer Champion and turn them into good stars...look at Christian, right away he was in the title hunt. Yes TNA will be better then WWE some day, but not for too too long. WWE will probebly buy them out just like WCW,yet proving you can take over WWE, but not for long.

Raiden

08-11-2006, 04:33 AM

TNA still cant beat WWE ratings tho

JosH LegenD

08-11-2006, 05:47 AM

If TNA does beat WWE in the ratings, it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than WCW did. You're forgetting that WCW has Ted Turner pumping money into it, so they could buy a load of ECW/WWE's tallent.

MATT HARDY ROCKS!

08-20-2006, 04:25 PM

FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:punch:

MrAwesome

08-20-2006, 07:06 PM

yah TNA is WCW ..

Hardcore Jesus

08-21-2006, 08:57 PM

ill guido

08-22-2006, 10:50 PM

tna is wcw they have all the same stars n they dont push the younger guyz

RamBam109

08-23-2006, 07:04 AM

The only thing miss from TNA to be come like WCW is Goldberg.

Welcome to WCW Then folks! Goldberg signing the 90 day contract

anti-christ

08-23-2006, 07:15 AM

if goldberg signs, they'd use him not to push younger stars but be world champ and spear the hell out of all the stars of tna

yankees25m

08-23-2006, 04:21 PM

The one thing i think your all missing is that WCW and TNA both use alot of run ins. When's the last time you've seen a clean win? X Divsion doesnt as much but almost every big match or title match has one.

When do you see clean wins in WWE? Take the last Raw as an example Jeff Hardy won by DQ (not a clean win) Kane won by DQ (not clean) and Ric Flair won by the reversed decision (again not clean). And look back at when Triple H was a heel. When did he ever win cleanly? I personally cant remember very many matches where he didnt use the sledgehammer.

Also look how all 3 WWE champions won their titles.
Edge won by hitting Cena with the belt.
King Booker won by having Chavo hit Rey with a chair.
The Big Show won when Paul Heyman refused to count for RVD.

Now we can expand this to all heel champions.
The Spirit Squad won their titles by having 5 people attack the Big Show.
Lita won her title by having Edge help her.
Johnny Nitro won by stealing Carlito's pin.
Finlay won by using the sheleilei on Lashley.

Now none of these are exactly clean victories. But its terrible that TNA has people win using weapons or run ins. If its terrible that TNA does it, it should be terrible when the WWE does too.

anti-christ

08-24-2006, 05:49 AM

yeah both companies do it, i think its to promote heels so people will hate the heels

yankees25m

08-24-2006, 10:40 AM

I think you're right but I would like to see an ocassion where the heel wins a match fairly.

anti-christ

08-24-2006, 10:45 AM

i remember orton beating snitsky clean with an rko early this year. it was on raw and i was sure of that

yankees25m

08-24-2006, 10:50 AM

Every once and a while they do it. They would let Kane when he was a heel but only because hes considered unstoppable. I just think they should allow more of it.

GREYGHOST

06-14-2007, 02:14 PM

Just thought that this could be discussed more in-depth now.

TRS

06-14-2007, 02:31 PM

^^.....discuss it then, this thread is way to old to be bumped...

BBman

06-14-2007, 03:10 PM

hers some food for thought, tna is becoming a major joke now that they lost all of their titles, goodbye #1 brand

bawjustice

06-14-2007, 03:16 PM

hers some food for thought, tna is becoming a major joke now that they lost all of their titles, goodbye #1 brand

what?

BBman

06-14-2007, 03:57 PM

can you read???

HSM

06-14-2007, 03:58 PM

hers some food for thought, tna is becoming a major joke now that they lost all of their titles, goodbye #1 brand

They didn't lose their titles you idiot, they got new ones without the meaningless letters NWA on them

Juan Miguels

06-14-2007, 04:41 PM

WCW was actually enjoyable. It had long, competitive matches with good wrestlers and a huge roster. The whole roster wasnt great but they had a lot of greats in the mid to late 90's. TNA cant keep my attention for more than 5 minutes.....because thats how long their matches are on Impact and it's really not that enjoyable to watch.....for me anyways. The quality of WCW's product was ten times better at least.

BBman

06-14-2007, 05:23 PM

They didn't lose their titles you idiot, they got new ones without the meaningless letters NWA on them

My mistake, i shouldnt talk when i dont know what happens after they get stripped of the belts

man_of_1004_holds

06-14-2007, 06:04 PM

GETTING OLD WWE WRESTLERS TO PROMOTE THE CO.
NOT PUSHING THE YOUNGER TALENT
SECOND RATE ANNOUNCERS

1. They are using the big names to keep ratings high until they get a 2 hour show.

This makes sense, because who wants to watch a one hour show with no stars?

It's not easy in 1 hour to push all the talent and promote all the PPV matches. Most of the time is going to be spent promoting the main event match, which is the same as WWE do, and the same as what any wrestling company would do.

2. WCW had Bobby Heenan, the best announcer in wrestling history.

3. Yes, they are using ex-WWE stars but don't forget that a decent ammount of top WWE talent are ex ECW/WCW wrestlers.

You cannot blame TNA for pushing guys like Christian and Kurt Angle. Can you?

This thread is so pointless and should really be removed. Everything has been said before.

Good night.

WCW was actually enjoyable. It had long, competitive matches with good wrestlers and a huge roster. The whole roster wasnt great but they had a lot of greats in the mid to late 90's. TNA cant keep my attention for more than 5 minutes.....because thats how long their matches are on Impact and it's really not that enjoyable to watch.....for me anyways. The quality of WCW's product was ten times better at least.

I will have to disagree here. I have been watching some old WCW matches and some of it is really bad.

I can see why WWE kicked their ass in the late 90's.

I think you're right but I would like to see an ocassion where the heel wins a match fairly.

I kind of know what you mean but I like the way that heels cannot win cleanly.

It makes most matches predictable but I enjoyed watching Christian keep the TNA title by using the ropes etc.

I like the sneaky heel type. Like with Edge. Superb heel.

Eventually, they will do the same with Orton.

Juan Miguels

06-14-2007, 09:27 PM

I will have to disagree here. I have been watching some old WCW matches and some of it is really bad.

I can see why WWE kicked their ass in the late 90's.

I was going to mention that my opinion is not based on anything to do with the NWO and garbage like that. Its based on the good wrestling such as Malenko vs Jericho for example. While WCW had their crap matches, they made up for it with excellent mid-card matches. Trust me, I watched WCW.

The Dayman

06-15-2007, 03:57 AM

tna is not yet ready to be judged they are still a child and once they get the two hour show it will be better i hope

newerest

06-15-2007, 11:45 AM

Too young to judge? Please...5 years has been long enough.

The Dayman

06-15-2007, 11:49 AM

it is no where near to being as well known as WCW and no where near the money.

pump_it_up_pump_pump

06-15-2007, 12:29 PM

TNA>WWE easy the monday nights wars will come back and tna will win

emaun

06-15-2007, 02:04 PM

Tna needs a person like ted turner to put money into the company. They need to get push to a 2 hour timeslot. Right now they just can't match wwe's ratings.

bawjustice

06-15-2007, 02:30 PM

TNA>WWE easy the monday nights wars will come back and tna will win

are you on drugs?

if a war started right now the way the monday night wars were tna would be done in about 2 months.

tna had there chance to shine when the dog show was on and they blew so hard it was unbelievable. that night was a perfect indicator as too were tna is.

as for tna being liek wcw . . .

no

just no

money, talent, ratings, popularity, etc.

there are a few small similarities but thats the case for everything.

man_of_1004_holds

06-15-2007, 02:44 PM

^^ Well, yes, WCW did have great talent but in the end, they didn't utilize the talent.

TNA has guys like AJ, Joe and Christian.

These are better than old guys like Hogan and Macho Man.

bawjustice

06-15-2007, 02:59 PM

^^ Well, yes, WCW did have great talent but in the end, they didn't utilize the talent.

TNA has guys like AJ, Joe and Christian.

These are better than old guys like Hogan and Macho Man.

i wasnt saying that one roster was better than the other, i meant that wcw had an enourmous roster and could offer up a good amount of varrity. tna cant do that.

man_of_1004_holds

06-15-2007, 06:12 PM

Yea, fair, but what is the point in TNA having a large roster when they only have a one hour show?

Of course, you are replying to the comment that TNA can rival WWE which of course it cannot, right now and for some time which is correct.

No doubt, TNA will strenghen their roster when the time is right.

UTisNUM1

06-15-2007, 07:48 PM

tna is not yet ready to be judged they are still a child and once they get the two hour show it will be better i hope

Well they need to shut their child mouths because they dont have an adult ass to cash the checks they've been writing.

man_of_1004_holds

06-16-2007, 06:51 PM

Are you saying TNA doesn't have money, decent backing? etc.

TRS

06-16-2007, 07:10 PM

^^probably not enough money, and not nearly enough backing either.

man_of_1004_holds

06-16-2007, 07:12 PM

Well, they have done OK so far.

Panda are meant to have a crap load of money.

Impact

06-20-2007, 09:20 AM

^^probably not enough money, and not nearly enough backing either.

Panda Energy is the company backing TNA financially. Dixie Carter's family owns Panda Energy.

They are REALLY billionaires, whereas, McMahon claims to be. I love it when WWE marks have their facts straight.....

As for the WCW comparison, NO! Anyone who's seen the two, know that TNA owns old WCW. Their matches are better, storylines make sense, and the stars are younger. And the established talents like Angle and Christian are still younger than the wheelchair wrestlers WCW were using. TNA is innovative and WCW wasn't.

UTisNUM1

06-20-2007, 10:19 AM

Panda Energy is the company backing TNA financially. Dixie Carter's family owns Panda Energy.

They are REALLY billionaires, whereas, McMahon claims to be. I love it when WWE marks have their facts straight.....

As for the WCW comparison, NO! Anyone who's seen the two, know that TNA owns old WCW. Their matches are better, storylines make sense, and the stars are younger. And the established talents like Angle and Christian are still younger than the wheelchair wrestlers WCW were using. TNA is innovative and WCW wasn't.

wCw wasnt innovative but yet TnA is? You seriously make no sense. wCw brought a lot to wrestling that WwE uses now.

1) Having the show run 5 minutes over.

2) Showing the backstage area other then for interview purposes (the nWo attacking outside the arena and throwing Rey Mysterio into the TV truck, people actually called the police because they thought it was real).

3) The nWo storyline. Love it or hate it, it is a major part of why wrestling got popular in the 90's. It was new and fresh.

Those are a couple. Saying wCw wasnt innovative takes away from your cred as a wrestling fan. How exactly is is TnA innovative? The only thing i can think of is the X-Division, i cant think of anything else. Im sure all the names for the Street Fights arent innovative at all.

McMahon can call himself a billionaire. His stock has rarley ever goes under 970 mil and it is usually around 990-1 bil.

The Joker

06-20-2007, 11:54 AM

yh gotta agree with the KING

the x-division is just a mix between the intercontinental and the crusierweight division anyway imo

selby

06-20-2007, 05:54 PM

Tna is good but will never be up to WCW standards. If it has any hope of trying to compete with wwe they need to stop copying wwe ideas and trying to have a monday nights war again when there no where near ready (I no TNA isn't on Mondays).

Impact

06-20-2007, 08:02 PM

wCw wasnt innovative but yet TnA is? You seriously make no sense. wCw brought a lot to wrestling that WwE uses now.

Yes, I make crystal clarity sense. WCW wasn't innovative. They used all the washed up talent way past their primes and had very crappy storylines, while also resorting to sneak-spoil tactics to compete with WWE.

1) Having the show run 5 minutes over.

2) Showing the backstage area other then for interview purposes (the nWo attacking outside the arena and throwing Rey Mysterio into the TV truck, people actually called the police because they thought it was real).

3) The nWo storyline. Love it or hate it, it is a major part of why wrestling got popular in the 90's. It was new and fresh.

1}Having the show run over wasn't uncommon in any other form of entertainment. How was that innovative?

2}WWE was doing similar backstage segments at that time too. WCW just done it more realistically, which Vince then made his own with the "attitude era".

3}Yes, nWo was a major storyline and did bring mainstream attention. It was fresh right up until 90% of the entire roster was sporting an nWo t-shirt. That killed it. Other than that, stables were already commonplace and not that innovative.

Those are a couple. Saying wCw wasnt innovative takes away from your cred as a wrestling fan. How exactly is is TnA innovative? The only thing i can think of is the X-Division, i cant think of anything else. Im sure all the names for the Street Fights arent innovative at all.

How does it take away from my "cred"? I see the obvious. TNA is innovative for several reasons;

1}The six-sided ring
2}The X-division[which vastly outshines anything the cruiserweight division ever did]
3}Six sides of steel[which is the best cage match I've ever seen]
4}Innovative wrestling[ever seen the spots used?! If not, you cannot compare]. On this point, WWE has been trying to emulate some of TNA's spots. They even used the 'tower of doom' superplex/powerbomb spot. Stealing is the best form of flatery.

McMahon can call himself a billionaire. His stock has rarley ever goes under 970 mil and it is usually around 990-1 bil.

Where do you get your facts? McMahon is never included in Fortune 500. His stock[WWE] has been declining lately, which is why he pulled the "death" angle stunt. It's a pathetic attempt to return to past greatness.