View Full Version : Jericho vs HBK
Steve0904
04-04-2007, 09:19 PM
Alright. I seen someone (I think it was Chairshot) say compare Jericho to someone close to his league. So I think HBK's in Jericho's league. What do you guys think? Who's better?
Discuss
Well HBK was THE GUY for absoulutely ages and had time to have great matches with just about anyone.
But Jericho was never given the chance to run with the top spot like HBK did. Could Jericho have had excellent matches like HBK did? Yes. Is Jericho as funny as Michaels on the mic? Funnier. Is Jericho a better heel? Well I certainly found him more entertaining. Is he a better face? Yeah, Michaels is and was a lame babyface. Are they both very alike? Sure as hell are.
I give it to Jericho simply because the old, "anything you can do, I can do better" really is true here. Jericho was unlucky to be on top while HHH, Rock and Austin were all going for the top spot too. Jericho could've done what HBK did. Not to mention he hung with HBK at 'Mania 19 and didn't look out of place at all. They had a thriller with Jericho most certainly holding his own, and possibly having more memorable spots in the match (Mimmicking HBK's super kick, Walls of jericho on the florr etc,.)
In the ring I give it to jericho by a mile, Michaels has become really dire over the years, sometimes more repetitive than Cena, it takes a really great wrestler to make Michaels look truly exciting these days, there are moments of sheer HBK brilliance when he acts like a heel and controls the match and has some cool offense, but as the babyface in peril he is awful. Unless of course he is facing yourt Angle's and Jericho's of the world where you can balance it all to make a great match.
Mic skills I give to Jericho for his WCW work with Ralphus.
Buyrates and all that shit: HBK but Jericho never really got the chances Michaels did but did fantastically and got over HUGE anyway. That says alot.
HBK is probably more over, but half his fans just love him because they're sheep and like the guys who win. Sad as that is to say. Wheras Jericho never won all the time so the majority of his fans aprreciate good wrestling and Jericho himself not his win loss record. Jericho despite not having loads of marks behind him could still blow a roof off the arena so to speak with his entrances.
Jericho's debut was as cool as anything Michaels has done. Jericho is the tital package, so was Micheals but he isn't anymore, not as a dire babyface.
I give it to jericho but you all knew I would
id say HBK
he has awesome skill's and can still put on great matches after all these years and can carry pretty much any match (WM23)....exellent mic skills, although jericho was awesome on the mic too.
but from all the mtaches ive seen im going with HBK
Juan Miguels
04-04-2007, 10:15 PM
Im going with Jericho. Michaels cant touch the amazing in ring work of Jericho in WCW.
bawjustice
04-05-2007, 11:00 AM
jericho is better in the ring
jericho is better on the mic
jericho is better.
micheals is a stale person
he does the same shit over and over and voer and over and over and voer again and again and again and again and again
no matter hwo you cut it jericho is better than HBK
I love Jericho, but i definately have to go w/ HBK on this one. HBK has had more "classics" and more memorable programs than Jericho ever has. HBK vs Hart, Austin, HHH, Ramon, The entire Hart Foundation, hell even Sid or Diesel are all more memorable feuds than anything Jericho has done - in most fans eye. I love the shit Jericho did w/ Juvy & Malenko but they're certainly not on par w/ HBK's programs (in the majority of fans minds) and his WWE programs were never really "classics" like a HBK vs Hart or Austin.
I really dislike the fact that Jericho wasn't allowed to do such things. But I'm basing mine off who I think was better in the ring, I give that to Jericho. His work in Japan was better than any of HBK's matches in my personal opinion.
Maybe - but look at the quality of those opponents Jericho had in japan. If you look at anytime Michaels was given an opponent who could work (Bret, Owen, Angle, HHH, Benoit, Austin, Ramon , etc..) they had great matches and many times all-time classics. Its a tough debate, but when Jericho goes on record as saying that Michaels is the best than I'll take his word for it. God I can't wait for Jericho to get back damn it !
Yeah, but we must remember HBK was Jericho's idol.
Sure, Jericho had great, great opponents in Japan, but seriously, carrying Jericho just doesn't happen. Mick Foley picked up on Y2J in japan and obviously thought he was pretty good as he has said many times before. So Jericho could hold his own it would seem. Jericho also carried Cena like a mother fucker in 2005, now don't take this as me being a "Cena hata!" cause I don't think he's too shabby but Jericho made him look like a god and they had incredible matches. Jericho also did the same with Rock at the Rumble 2000, Jericho is obviously superior in the ring a=but he made the Rock look excellent, which in fairness Rock was, but in ring work wasn't his top priority. Jericho made it his priority that night.
Jericho wrestled most of his life on the under card and always did superbly. Michaels did more memorable stuff but will ANY of us forget Jericho's debut?
Jericho's debut trumps all others. Thats easily at the top for memorable moments as far as Jericjo is concerned, followed by winning the 1st ever undisputed title.
For HBK there are many : At the top is certainly the Survivor Series Screwjob, 60 minute Iron-man, Ladder Match at WM 10, formation of DX, and one of my personnal fav's - putting Jannetty's head through the mirror.
Juan Miguels
04-05-2007, 01:54 PM
No matter what way you look at it....Jericho's best performances blow Michael's best performances out of the water. Bottom line. For example Jericho vs. Dean Malenko WCW. Those two had a match on Nitro that makes Michaels look like....well...Michaels(lol) in the ring.
Damn these debates get people posting. It was a good idea to start this board.
No matter what way you look at it....Jericho's best performances blow Michael's best performances out of the water. Bottom line. For example Jericho vs. Dean Malenko WCW. Those two had a match on Nitro that makes Michaels look like....well...Michaels(lol) in the ring.
Damn these debates get people posting. It was a good idea to start this board.
Granted Malenko vs Jericho was very good, but I think you're overexaggerating quite a bit when it comes to Michaels. Malenko vs. any capable wrestler is always a good match. I've seen Jericho vs Angle many times and I'll take HBK vs Angle any day of the week.
That's because Michaels is the golden boy, and nice as he is now, I'm pretty sure he has been one Vince's boys for a very long time. He's about as coperate as they come, he gets given the best matches no matter what he does. Jericho never had that.
That's because Michaels is the golden boy, and nice as he is now, I'm pretty sure he has been one Vince's boys for a very long time. He's about as coperate as they come, he gets given the best matches no matter what he does. Jericho never had that.
That's because he deserves it. When everyone else was running to WCW Michaels stayed loyal and he and bret were the only things worth watching from about 95-97.
Juan Miguels
04-05-2007, 02:39 PM
That's because Michaels is the golden boy, and nice as he is now, I'm pretty sure he has been one Vince's boys for a very long time. He's about as coperate as they come, he gets given the best matches no matter what he does. Jericho never had that.
Exactly. People can argue it, saying Michaels had more "big moments" such as Wrestlemanias, but look at the audience in those Wrestlemanias. A bunch of Kool Aid drinking 10 year olds. Jericho is by far a better professional wrestler and that is what really matters.
So Kool aid drinking kids is wht HBK puts on good matches?
Nope, don't ever think that's what I meant. I respect HBK's great matches. But HBK was always higher on the card than Y2J, and it sure as hell wasn't because he was better than Jericho in any way. It was because he is a McMahon-inite. Jericho was forced to job in most of his 'Mania appearences, but when he was given good opponents (Michaels, Angle and Benoit) he stole the show, it really showed that if he had been given the chance he could've been huge.
He was over, talented, charasmatic and had it all.
That's because he deserves it. When everyone else was running to WCW Michaels stayed loyal and he and bret were the only things worth watching from about 95-97.
And Jericho didn't? He deserved it, just never got the opportunity to do it, which is why he never got the matches with the big boys at the big events. But like I say, he had outstanding matchs when they let him. Rock/Jericho at RR 2002-Excellent, Jericho/HHH at Fully Loaded 2000-Pheonomanal, see the pattern?
Jericho and HBK had totally different positions on the card. I'd like to see a Jericho/Guerrero debate, they got similar opportunities.
bawjustice
04-05-2007, 02:47 PM
i said this baout jericho in another thread
he never had any big moments because hes willign to be a bitch. guys liek HHH and JBL and HBK will never be be played liek a bitch in story lines. they rarely do ti for eachother and almost never for a newer guy. and then when beat them they get to wlak aroudn and talk about how good they put you over and without them youd be a nobody. jericho si not an ass liek that hell get played liek a bitch, hell let stadiums of peopel have luaghs at his expense and hes not an arrogant fuck like HBK.
jericho is better
Juan Miguels
04-05-2007, 02:49 PM
So Kool aid drinking kids is wht HBK puts on good matches?Im not saying that Im saying that is why he is so popular.
Jericho and HBK had totally different positions on the card. I'd like to see a Jericho/Guerrero debate, they got similar opportunities.
Good point on the difft. spots on the card, IMO HBK is better and it seems like in everyone else's that Jericho is better. Hey - they're 2 of my all-time favorites w/o a doubt. I would have liked to see an HBK vs Rock match because that would be something to compare. Because unlike HHH, who would work his ass off against HBK and not so much against Jericho, the Rock always busted it no matter who his opponent was.
wordlife86
04-16-2007, 01:41 PM
hey i agree with u dude, for me both of them are top main eventers, true, hbk recived hell of more chances to be where he is right now, but i guess he got them because as u said, he deserve it, i think everything that has to be said on this thread has alredy been said, but imo just to say something in this intresting debate, hbk is better for me.
KaleighDenise_2006
06-13-2007, 03:37 PM
Jericho......
GREYGHOST
06-14-2007, 01:11 AM
The big argument in favor of Jericho over HBK has been the chances he recieved in the business. While I agree that Michaels has been given a far greater amount of oppurtunities, I don't see how that takes away from his talent in the ring. The oppurtunities were given out by the people with the book. Jericho not recieving the oppurtunities he deserved were made by idiots in charge, but when he did come to the WWE he was given some great oppurtunities. He was the first undisputed champion, beating the Rock and StoneCold back to back. He held numerous titles and was allowed to earn a global fan base, as shown by Ben.
That being said I don't think that either one is better than the other. Jericho really came into the spotlight after HBK's time and took the style that HBK had used and ellaborated on it. The two are almost mirror images in most respects and both have been great in their time.
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