Open WWE Vs TNA debate

[Ben]

Okay, predictable I know but it makes sense as the first thread of this brand new section.

Which promotion is better? Make sure you use conclusive evidence and facts and your replies are well written and thoughtfully presented. Consider ratings, quality of product, better useage of wrestlers and "big time feel"

I will post my argument when I find a post that I feel to be wrong and think I can prove wrong.

No flaming is wanted or needed. There's no need to get hotheaded.

Make sure your replies are long and not just "yes, i agree" that doesn't help anything or anyone.

Go!

[RatedRTitan]

I lost alot of respect for TNA when they did that garbage Last Rites match. The Sting bump through the casket was cool and I always hoped they would do something like that in a WWE casket match but other than that the match was awful.

I'm glad they have gotten bit by the Russo bug. Everyone thinks that just because Russo was successful one time that he can be a legend any other place. I actually take back what I first said, I lost it all for TNA when they signed Vince Russo.

If they just got back to the basics, they had the weird ring, they had the "X" division but now thanks to VKM and many other various reasons (Scott Steiner WTF?), they are just a bunch of con artists that try to capitalize on another company's fault and it fails miserably.

Big Dick Johnson > Fat Oily Guy. They are just trying way too hard. Create your image first before you try to make fun of another company that I believe destroyed it the night that they went head to head.

Also, Live is better than taped. Especially a month full of tapings.

So WWE >>>>TNA

[punjabi king]

tna= wannabe wwe tna needs there own image

[Ray18032]

In my mind, WWE is better than TNA. WWE is an established company known around the world while TNA isn't. TNA has tons of talent that they do not use correctly(well I guess you can say that about WWE as well). The ratings show what people like better and that should be proof enough.

IMO TNA just tries to hard to be like WWE. I think they should first establish themselves as competition because as of right now they are not a threat to WWE at all. First of all they should move out of Orlando and tour through the country. Also one hour is not enough for all the guys that they have. Three weeks of tapings in one day is ridiculous.

One thing I do like about TNA is the X Division. It is an original idea and in my mind the only thing that they have that is better than WWE.

Another thing that bothers me is TNA always wanting former WWE stars way past their prime, i.e. Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Big Show, Kip James, BG James. They should work with their talented guys, which they have plenty of and not go after these old EXstars. One thing I do give them props for is the acquisition of Kurt Angle.

In conclusion, TNA is still miles away from being at WWE's level even though it sometimes seems like WWE doesn't even try. I am not a TNA hater or a WWE mark but I do think that WWE>>>TNA

[cena645]

Make sure your replies are long and not just "yes, i agree" that doesn't help anything or anyone

Wow I couldn't of said it any better myself. Everything you said is 100% true.

not to get off topic but read the fucking rules before you post.

[Ben]

Ok, my turn.

WWE has a long and storied history, some good, some bad. From the Bret Hart's to the Steve Austin's to the Chris Jericho's all the way to the Dave Batista's. But how often has this product dissapointed us? How many times have we all felt like getting up and saying "You know what, fuck this, fuck WWE and most of all FUCK VINCE" C'mon, you know you all felt it at some time or another. The botched Invasion? The dreadful pre attitude days? The boring title reigns of Batista, Cena and HHH? The massacre of the ECW Name? I mean, the WWE has probably dissapointed us more times than most of us thought was possible. But you know what? I get over it, and try to accentuate the postives. For every John Cena, there has been a Benoit. For every Dave Batista, there has been an Eddie Guererro. For every Great Khali, there has been a Chris Jericho. The positives and neghatives end up weighing up rather well. The WWE is very differen t to how it was during the golden age of Attitude, but how much have things really changed? Has it gotten worse or are we just dwelling on the departure of our favorite wrestlers? The WWE just has that Big Time Feel to it that really influences alot of fans. When people say 'Wrestling' people will either think A. WWE(or F) or B. Vince McMahon. The WWE is a business as much as it is a wrestling promotion. Certain things have to be done in the name of business. Sure, I'd love Chris Benoit as World Champion more than anyone, but does he have the drawing power or Mic Skills of John Cena? No, sadly he doesn't. Which is why he isn't in the top spot at this moment. The main purpose of the WWE is the money, what the hell do you expect? Do you want WWE to just abandon the way their money making ways just to entertain a minority of smart marks? Of course not. The WWE has a huge fanbase, many of them completely oblivious to good wrestling and wouldn't know a hammerlcok from a Drop toe hold. They're easy to manipulate, the perfect audience for the WWE; there is no way the WWE is going to stop appealing to those who give their promotion the most $. but then you have Smackdown, good old reliable Smackdown, every week Smackdown is full of very little crap and alot of wrestling, but yet has enoough big stars and entertainment factor that it gets fantastic ratings. The WWE is now in preperation for WrestleMania, and frankly the build up has been fantastic, minus maybe 2 matches (Melina Vs Ashley and Kane Vs Kahli) every upcoming match has been given hype and attention. Not to mention we've seen some great wrestling and ALOT of crossbranding, which is always good. The WWE is the biggest brand of wrestling in the world and TNA right now aint even close.

As for TNA, do I blame Russo for their problems? No, I don't. Don't get that mixed up with me being "in denial" or a "TNA mark" that is just MO. iMPACT has been awful for a very long time, way before Russo arrived. The only thing that kept TNA going was their top class PPV's. Frankly those have now gone to shit too. Over gimmicked and badly promoted, TNA PPV's are now not the spectacle they used to claim to be. But TNA seem to have caught on to the idea of appealing to the audience that WWE goes for. Bad move, not only is the WWE fanbase loyal and reluctant to watch other wrestling but TNA's version of Sports Entertainment is pitiful. So they are doing the crap they do, having bad TV shows, lackluster PPV's and frankly shitty ratings for a promotion that likes to think they are competition to the WWE. The WWE just looks down on TNA, and rightfully so. TNA is acting like a spoiled child. Not being as good as someone else and trying to put down the other guy in hope of that helping the,. But TNA is trying to big on one big motha fucker. They saw of the millions of Ted Turner, the genius that is Eric Bischoff, and pretty muich anyone else who has tried to stand up to them (minus the World Wildlife Fund) The WWE isn't responding to TNA and TNA is just giving the WWE more and more viewers by doing so. Kurt Angle, Jay Lethal, Petey Williams, Senshi, Sabin and Austin Aries; TNA has all the talent in the world and are failing to use it. TNA is failing there fans and failing to even convince me, a TNA fan for christ sake, that they are anything close to being as good as the WWE.

Smackdown > TNA, so the WWE is certainly > TNA.

I might add more later.......

[UTisNUM1]

WwE is greater than TnA.

WwE is a world wide company and pretty much everybody has heard or is watching WwE/F. You brought up a good point Ben in your post, the Pre-AdDiTuDe days sucked but thats the way the business was and it relied on gimmicks to get the wrestlers over instead of the actual wrestling. The times then grew to wrestling and now it is going back to gimmicks because there is no cometition for WwE and if TnA thinks they can be the competition, then they are wrong because iMPACT! and their PpVs have been sucking for the past few months.

TnA isnt anything to WwE nor will they ever if they continue with these shows. TnAs PpVs were the best American Wrestling PpVs you could find and now they are nothing but 2-3 hour iMPACTS! TnA keeps going down and down because they are so fucking worried about the gimmicks then the actual wrestling.

"This is TnA, we are wrestling" <---Psshhh:ohlord:

[Sea Serpent]

In my mind, WWE is better than TNA. WWE is an established company known around the world while TNA isn't. TNA has tons of talent that they do not use correctly(well I guess you can say that about WWE as well). The ratings show what people like better and that should be proof enough.

How does being an established company make it better? It simply means they've been around longer.

Ok, there's been a lot of talk lately about how bad TNA has been getting. The PPV quality (Which was the biggest quality that made it better than WWE) is now decreasing. But ask youreslf, are the PPVs to the point where they're as bad as the WWE ones? I don't think so. Some of you see one good match in a WWE PPV, and it's the talk of the town for months. TNA has good matches often. The only reason it's being critizised is because there's less of those matches, but in no way do they reach the low level that WWE has gotten, including Smackdown, which supposedly is the wrestling show.

As far as talent goes, TNA beats out WWE there as well. I mean why would anyone say WWE has better talent, just because they have some Kayfabe legends?

Point is, this is a matter that can't be debated any more because WWE has reached a different level of wrestling. There's little demand for wrestling in comparison to the last decade. WWE has taken the sport and blended in high usage of other sorts of entertainment.

But I don't feel like debating much, so I'll just say TNA > WWE.

[RatedRTitan]

Ok, there's been a lot of talk lately about how bad TNA has been getting. The PPV quality (Which was the biggest quality that made it better than WWE) is now decreasing. But ask youreslf, are the PPVs to the point where they're as bad as the WWE ones? I don't think so.


I don't know, I'd have to say that when the WWE has joint ppv's (which they are going to do all the time now) they rule ass. Individually, yes TNA killed RAW brand or SD brand PPV's but together, the WWE absolutely buries TNA ppv's when they are joint.

How does being an established company make it better? It simply means they've been around longer.


I agree with this statement, but being an established company also is very tough to defeat. Look what happened when the XFL tried to take on the NFL. Same game, different rules. People hated the XFL because they tried to be different. Society fears change. Thus WWE > TNA.

[Ray18032]

Towards Vee:

Yes TNA probably has better talent then WWE but they do not use it correctly. If TNA is so great then why do they get such crappy ratings? Sure TNA PPVs may be better than Raw or Smackdown PPVs but they are no match against the joint PPVs. TNA PPVs are full of gimmick matches which I find ridiculous. Some people might say that WWE not having stipulation matches in PPVs is boring but I like that concept. I watch wrestling for the wrestling not for the cages and bats and tables. WWE does not even need to try to put on 5 Star PPVs and shows because they know TNA is not even close to them. WWE makes a lot more money than TNA and you can't honestly tell me that the business is not all about the money.

[Sea Serpent]

WWE has better ratings because they're much better at added entertainment. But their wrestling is crap, and you can't say that even the joint PPVs are much better. Every single year, TNA will have that 1 PPV that's better than the rest. Last year, NOTHING beat, or even came close, to Bound For Glory or Lockdown. Of course, that's all my opinion.

[Ray18032]

WWE has better ratings because they're much better at added entertainment. But their wrestling is crap, and you can't say that even the joint PPVs are much better. Every single year, TNA will have that 1 PPV that's better than the rest. Last year, NOTHING beat, or even came close, to Bound For Glory or Lockdown. Of course, that's all my opinion.

If you wanna talk about pure wrestling than neither TNA or WWE is the best. I'm giving my opinion on what both companies bring to the table and overall WWE brings more to attract me as well as millions of others(proved by the ratings). I have my opinion and you have yours and I respect that.

[Sea Serpent]

That's cool. I was actually just about to bring that up about neither companies really compare to other wrestling companies. But since it is a WWE/TNA debate, I didn't bring other things up. How about a Mexican Wrestling vs. American Wrestling, I'd want a Japan one, but I know little about that in comparison to Lucha Libre.

[Ray18032]

That's cool. I was actually just about to bring that up about neither companies really compare to other wrestling companies. But since it is a WWE/TNA debate, I didn't bring other things up. How about a Mexican Wrestling vs. American Wrestling, I'd want a Japan one, but I know little about that in comparison to Lucha Libre.

Mexican Wrestling vs. American Wrestling would be great. Why don't you make the thread? I would debate more but I gotta go. :tu

[Sea Serpent]

If other people want it, we could make one. Although it's really a no brainer.

[Violet]

I haven't watched TNA since early 2004 so i can't really say.

But alot of TNA's top guys are past WWE superstars that either quit or were fired from WWE, not that it really matters, but it kinda makes them seem desperate for talent or second rated.

Doesn't Jeff Jarret still work for TNA? Because on that case alone WWE > TNA haha.

[toe nail124]

jarret is actually a really good talent and a pespectable world champ except for when he gets the 6 month title reigns 3 times in a 2 yrs span

[AngleVSHBK]

If your gonna choose which company is better you gotta look at what your looking for in a wrestling company.. Wrestling isnt a actual sport.. its entertainment. WWE is more about the entertainment than it is Wrestling.. TNA is completley opposite, thier new slogan is " We are wrestling". Roster... WWE has the best roster is maybe the whole world.. they have so much talent in thier dressing room but they dont know how to use them. TNA gives all their stars a chance. WWE focuses on the guys who are already establiashed like: HBK Undertaker HHH maybe Batista Edge Cena and Orton what is gonna happen when HBK HHH Undertaker and Batista are gone. WWE wont know what to do and that will lead to thier downfall. TNa on the other hand uses all thier roster.. well for the most part... all thier matches are exciting where wwe throws together matches which have no meaning. In the long run WWE has a good chance to buy out tna.. a lot of stars are comming to TNA asking for a big pay check and TNA will keep saying sure until they have no more money and WWE will buyout TNA but until then. TNA has a good chance to beat WWE because thier product is more about wrestling.. the true and real wrestling fans not the ones who just started watching wrestling 1 or 2 years ago.

[UTisNUM1]

If your gonna choose which company is better you gotta look at what your looking for in a wrestling company.. Wrestling isnt a actual sport.. its entertainment. WWE is more about the entertainment than it is Wrestling.. TNA is completley opposite, thier new slogan is " We are wrestling". Roster... WWE has the best roster is maybe the whole world.. they have so much talent in thier dressing room but they dont know how to use them. TNA gives all their stars a chance. WWE focuses on the guys who are already establiashed like: HBK Undertaker HHH maybe Batista Edge Cena and Orton what is gonna happen when HBK HHH Undertaker and Batista are gone. WWE wont know what to do and that will lead to thier downfall. TNa on the other hand uses all thier roster.. well for the most part... all thier matches are exciting where wwe throws together matches which have no meaning. In the long run WWE has a good chance to buy out tna.. a lot of stars are comming to TNA asking for a big pay check and TNA will keep saying sure until they have no more money and WWE will buyout TNA but until then. TNA has a good chance to beat WWE because thier product is more about wrestling.. the true and real wrestling fans not the ones who just started watching wrestling 1 or 2 years ago.


Oh yeah a match in WwE which is about 5-7 minutes long is put together and there for no reason but a 2-3 minutes match on iMPACT! is there for a great reason!:rolleyes:

I like how you said something about the TnA Slogan "This is TnA, We Are Wrestling"<---BullShit! Look at iMPACT! for the last 2 months and tell me that there slogan matches the product because you cant.

[chanandler20]

jarret is actually a really good talent and a pespectable world champ except for when he gets the 6 month title reigns 3 times in a 2 yrs span

what's a pespectable world champ? I guess you mean respectable*

Well, Jeff Jarrett isn't. He was at best an upper mid-carder in the WWE and is still a mid-carder at best. IMO he was never good enough to be in the main eventer.

[UTisNUM1]

what's a pespectable world champ? I guess you mean respectable*

Well, Jeff Jarrett isn't. He was at best an upper mid-carder in the WWE and is still a mid-carder at best. IMO he was never good enough to be in the main eventer.

True there is only a c ouple people worthy of being in the main event scene. Jarret, Cage, Abyss, Rhino, VkM and Sting have no place near it and to think that they are the main guys in TnA make me Laugh.

[TR305]

I agree with your list exccept for Christian Cage, he is great wrestler and is just as good as Edge if not better and could be in Edge's spot now if WWE would have pushed him right. Cage deserves it, he earned it I hope he comes back to WWE one day

[chanandler20]

Christian is a very good wrestler and has great mic skills but mid-carder at best. When E&C were a tag team it was clearly obvious who the top guy was between both of them. Edge > Christian

[TR305]

Ok Id rather see Cage as champ back in WWE then Batista or Cena but maybe thats just me.

[Matt]

I really dislike both right now, but I'm going to be different and say TNA. As much as I've hated Impact lately, TNA has gotten off to a great start. There have been many great matches, such as Joe vs. AJ vs. Daniels @ Unbreakable, and there have been many innovative matches such as Ultimate X. TNA is also how old? A few years. WWE has had more time to grow and expand. I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves right now. They have Kurt Angle, Christian Cage, and others who are big draws, as well as some of the best talent around in Homicide, Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, Chris Sabin, etc., etc. Plus TNA has no move restrictions so we can see the 450, the shooting star press, and the piledriver. (Damn WWE) But right now I've been pretty bored with both lately. So ROH > Both.

And in conclusion... Homicide > WWE.

I'll add more later, I just don't feel well enough to right now.

[toe nail124]

I really dislike both right now, but I'm going to be different and say TNA. As much as I've hated Impact lately, TNA has gotten off to a great start. There have been many great matches, such as Joe vs. AJ vs. Daniels @ Unbreakable, and there have been many innovative matches such as Ultimate X. TNA is also how old? A few years. WWE has had more time to grow and expand. I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves right now. They have Kurt Angle, Christian Cage, and others who are big draws, as well as some of the best talent around in Homicide, Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, Chris Sabin, etc., etc. Plus TNA has no move restrictions so we can see the 450, the shooting star press, and the piledriver. (Damn WWE) But right now I've been pretty bored with both lately. So ROH > Both.

And in conclusion... Homicide > WWE.

I'll add more later, I just don't feel well enough to right now.

n offence but dude this is the tna vs wwe

not the sports entertainment vs real wrestling thread^ and its not just u it just seem like every time we have debates like this every one just has to bring up roh czw etc but everyone already knows how great they are and if they dont they probaly dont have a valid point in the wich ever thread it would be

[Matt]

^Did I ever say it was the real wrestling vs. sports entertainment debate? Nope, I never mentioned that.

And the ROH statement was a pre-closing statement, and it's a fact nonetheless.

[Sea Serpent]

True there is only a c ouple people worthy of being in the main event scene. Jarret, Cage, Abyss, Rhino, VkM and Sting have no place near it and to think that they are the main guys in TnA make me Laugh.

VKM and Rhino are aren't considered main eventers. Either way, how can you go with WWE and then have the audacity to bring this up? Forever will Rhino be greater than Batista Lashley and Cena.

[toe nail124]

yes it is a fact about roh but i was simply saying that it had nothing to do with the topic and with the sports entertainment vs wrestling comment i was puting tna and wwe in the sports entertainment categorie and roh etc in the wrestling category

[Matt]

Yes... But if you read the rest of the post, it was all about why I feel TNA is currently better than the WWE ... You know, 95% of the post.

[toe nail124]

yea i read that but that wasnt the part i quoted

[shadowx187x]

I think wwe is kinda lke.00001 better than tna because they are known around the world and have some good talent.they sometimes know how to use it.Tna has good young talent and some ex wwe stars.also they have alot of concept matches.also wwe has been longer in the buisness and know how to run it.the bad thing about the wwe is that they hire talent that has no talent(cena,batista).

[UTisNUM1]

I think WwE is infanite amounts better than TnA.

You cant compare them, one is good (WwE) and the other is horrible (TnA).

The only thing good about TnA is Homicide and Jay Lethal.

[Sea Serpent]

What's so good about WWE?

[UTisNUM1]

Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Edge, The Undertaker, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito, the women are actually attractive, The belt design is great and the production quality is superb.

[Sea Serpent]

Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Edge, The Undertaker, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito, the women are actually attractive, The belt design is great and the production quality is superb.

Matt's a jobber, The Undertaker is old and doesn't belong in the ring anymore, women get about 10 minutes of air time, Shelton and Haas are underused, and the title design doesn't mean anything in wrestling quality. Try again.

[UTisNUM1]

Matt's a jobber, The Undertaker is old and doesn't belong in the ring anymore, women get about 10 minutes of air time, Shelton and Haas are underused, and the title design doesn't mean anything in wrestling quality. Try again.

Sting, Steiner and Jarret are old and dont belong in the ring, atleast the women get airtime, even if TwGtT are under used they still get more than 3 minutes of TV time, The NwA titles doesnt mean anything either and it hasnt ment anything since NwA flopped in the 80s because of McMahon and aleast the belt is modern in WwE.....make that all the belts.

[Sea Serpent]

Hey, I'm not saying those guys belong in the ring, but we're talking about WWE guys. So you're saying the NWA title won't mean anything when AMDrag has it, or are you just saying it because it's in TNA?

[punjabi king]

when am drg has it the NWA title will be saved

[chanandler20]

Dave Meltzer's Opinion on TNA

From Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer:
"Losing to Tomko and getting beaten up so many times on TV recently is punishment as the booking team are very unhappy with Joe's remarks in ROH about 'hurting his knee tripping over some bad booking' in TNA."

And people below wonder what's wrong in TNA? Not only do they pull Samoa Joe from what is clearly his favorite creative environment, but piss off the live crowd in Orlando (who had let out with a "Fire Russo" chant earlier in the evening); but delay or damage the value of Joe winning the NWA title (which may not be a NWA title by then, but that's a story for later).

Then there's the recent tendency, according to a well-known online source, that suggests TNA staff deal with people that are critical by dismissing them as "being on the WWE payroll". Apparently it goes so far recently that Dave Sahadi of TNA was reading aloud website reports on the last TNA PPV, which were viewed as "all ripping the show and calling it one of the worst ppvs ever". In the ensuing conversation, Don West got pissed, winding up with everyone agreeing that all these reports come from people on WWE payroll.

Apparently my mail carrier in suburban South Jersey is pocketing my checks. I've got to remember to call up US Post Office security about that.

Along with Don West getting into "seeing the black helicopters coming paranoia" mode, TNA staff also dismissed the "Fire Russo" chants coming from the crowd as "smart marks trying to take over the show".

TNA staff can delude themselves all they want. The fact that they AREN'T competitive with WWE speaks volumes about their lack of willingness to create a distinctive and competitive product...not to mention the fact that they continue to ignore rule one of business: listen to your customers.

By the way, screwing over independent promotions isn't a way to endear yourself to independent fans...i.e. customers, either; as see, in the sentence from the following release posted on PWBTS.com yesterday by Nick Tatum of Cleveland independent Absloute Independent Wrestling, which outlined TNA pulling Abyss from an independent show in Detroit on Wrestlemania weekend:

"Earlier this week TNA Booking Agent Bill Behrens emailed Absolute Intense Wrestling and let us know that we weren't going to be able to have Abyss appear on the card...

Behrens said the following: 'Other than 3 TNA wrestlers who had been approved by management last year to appear for ROH in Detroit on 3/30-31, it was decided thereafter that no other TNA talent can wrestle in the Detroit area during Wrestlemania weekend. I regret my error in confirming this booking....'

Through various emails from the AIW office to Mr. Behrens we found out there was nothing we could do to keep the fans happy."

Speaking of black helicoper time, I wonder what TNA is so worried about having wrestlers near Detroit that weekend.

[UTisNUM1]

TnA still blows. WwE is getting better. Matt and Jeff are getting god singles pushes. Edge is the World HeavyWeight Champ, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are getting a good Tag Team push and Batista isnt in the title picture.....yess!

TnA has gotten worse. Sure they have stopped some of the stupid gimmick matches like the 8 street fights but the same people are on top as when this thread was made.

TnA doesnt have a lot of momentum.

[Sea Serpent]

Chairshot puts it best: ''WWE and TNA both suck equally''.

[King]

They both suck.

WWE is beyond stale. God I hate watching RAW. or Cena and Lashley hour as I like to call it.

ECW is the same shit over and over again. Its like they dont even try.

I didnt watch Smackdown after they moved to fridays but after RAW raped them of all thier talent, I dont really feel like watching Masters take on Chavo.

TNA is horrible booking, no logic, random fueds, no direction.

THEY BOTH SUCK EQUALLY!!!

[The Dayman]

WWE gave the title to kahli so they have the cruiser weight and the US title that really means any thing any more. if you think about it

the X and heavyweight means more then any of those and with joe winning the tag it is begining to mean something.

[Big Money TV]

Tna is is good but wwe is better right now but tna PPVS are better then wwes when tna get there 2 hour time slot they will showcase all of there talent

[Loueek]

^having khali, cena batista maineventing doesn't help have more champions like Nitro and taking on people like punk does help.