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iEdge
12-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Who do you think is the greatest NON-champion ever. With RVD having that title for so many years, then winning the title, you really cant call him that anymore. I personally think its Jeff Hardy, hes a high-flyer, he is a multi-time World Tag Team and Intercontinental Champion.
(This is a opinion thread, so also in your post you have to post how many posts are going to be in here before Chanandler20 closes it)
chanandler20
12-11-2006, 08:45 PM
Owen Hart, Mr. Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Davey Boy Smith and maybe The Hot Rod
Edit: I only close threads that have already been done
JStorm
12-11-2006, 08:52 PM
CM Punk..he shoulda been champion 5 years ago but no..trips had to be an ass
Eddie Guerrero..I know he was a champ..but he was supposed to win the title the day he died.
chanandler20
12-11-2006, 08:53 PM
CM Punk has only been in the WWE since mind-2005 and 5 years ago he didn't really deserve any world title
UTisNUM1
12-11-2006, 08:54 PM
Kane he won it but for a day WtFreak!!!! it makes not sense why he had it for that time he deserved a long run
iEdge
12-11-2006, 09:04 PM
This thread has been done before 10 times already!!!
Give me a URL, and I'll ask Chanandler to close it.
UTisNUM1
12-11-2006, 09:06 PM
Dont listen to CrotchChop he doesnt know anything if anyhting it should be moved to Old School so with that said.......**Moved**
bawjustice
12-11-2006, 10:08 PM
jake the snake
Juan Miguels
12-11-2006, 10:34 PM
Irwin R. fucking Shyster
vkmfan
12-11-2006, 11:27 PM
Mark Henry, Luther Reigns (Kurts Bodyguard)hey he should go to TNA, and The great Kahili
RatedRTitan
12-11-2006, 11:37 PM
^^ Were just going to ignore those selections.............
The greatest known champion of all time? hmm, it would have been RVD by far but like you said, he won it, blew it (or actually smoked it away) and now he is gone.
I'm going to have to agree with one of Chanandler's picks and that is Owen Hart. He had tremendous ring presence, great ability and was one of the Top 10 technical wrestlers in WWF/E history. He wrestled great matches and from what I read was the best person to be around backstage and was always the life of the locker room.
TedJakeSnakeMillion
12-12-2006, 08:44 AM
Jake Roberts, Roddy Piper, and Ted Dibiase
bawjustice
12-12-2006, 09:29 AM
i would like to ad shane douglas to my list
i felt if shane douglas was ever allowed a worl tittle run in WCW or WWE he would of stole the fuckin show
villin
12-12-2006, 10:08 AM
CM Punk has only been in the WWE since mind-2005 and 5 years ago he didn't really deserve any world title
he doesnt even deserve it for the next five years too.
Razor Ramon, Chavo, British Bulldog, Mr Perfect, Owen Hart, Rick Rude, Brian Pillman, Hot Rod, Pedro Morales, Farooq, Jake the Snake (he was heavyweight champ but for indy promotions, not the big time)
are my picks
Hitman
12-12-2006, 10:12 AM
Curt Henning, Ted Dibiase
UTisNUM1
12-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Wasnt Ted Dibiase a a champ cause he made the Million Dollar belt
he doesnt even deserve it for the next five years too.
Razor Ramon, Chavo, British Bulldog, Mr Perfect, Owen Hart, Rick Rude, Brian Pillman, Hot Rod, Pedro Morales, Farooq, Jake the Snake (he was heavyweight champ but for indy promotions, not the big time)
are my picks
Good choices. I would throw Arn Anderson in there. But my top choices would be Rude and Perfect as well
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:16 PM
Wasnt Ted Dibiase a a champ cause he made the Million Dollar beltNo he was the only one that held it besides Virgil and he never defended it against anybody else and if he did he won the match by cheating.
Nikita Koloff and Magnum TA (although I believe he would have been if not for an unfortunate accident).
Owen Hart and Brian Fuckin' Pillman
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:25 PM
Owen Hart and Brian Fuckin' Pillman
Yes, good call.
Scorpio is another wrestler that should have won a shit load of gold in the WWE.....Oh yea...I mean Flash Funk...damnit.
Scorpio WWE Champion - no way! Maybe ECW back in the day but thats even stretching it. He could go, no doubt, but he's not World Champ material. I don't see him lasting long in the WWE w/ the drug policy anways, but I always enjoyed his work.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:32 PM
He can still do the things he used to do even at his age and he is in the best shape he has been in his entire career. He has more talent in one hair on his head than the whole RAW roster does combined. So why the fuck not?
He can still do the things he used to do even at his age and he is in the best shape he has been in his entire career. He has more talent in one hair on his head than the whole RAW roster does combined. So why the fuck not?
Because its simple he's not a big draw.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:39 PM
Neither is John Cena in the eyes of a true long time wrestling fan.
Neither is John Cena in the eyes of a true long time wrestling fan.
How could you possibly say that if you are realistic whatsoever. Cena makes more $$ for the company than anyone. It doesn't matter how good a wrestler you are to be World Champ. Hell, Vl Venis is a better wrestler but he has never nor will ever even smell a world title run.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:46 PM
WHO CARES WHO MAKES MORE MONEY? Are you one of Mcmahon's mark sheep?
Yeah, if I ran a company I would care less who made $$. You should probably stay out of any type of business for a career, it may not work, but hey thats just me.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:54 PM
Im going to school for automotive tecnology to work on cars properly. The WWE is the eqivelant of Pep Boys and Old ECW is the equivelent of a real ASE certified mechanic, not some delinquent lazy hack.
ECW went out of business and was backed by the WWE - point proven.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 05:57 PM
ECW did not go out because of the quality of the product. Bottom line.
Let me explain to you what a draw is Cena as WWE Champ (even though he's not a great wrestler) = Sold out MSG Whereas ECW = a filled up Bingo Hall.
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 06:05 PM
A bingo hall that held like a whole 1200 people that could produce more energy than a filled MSG.
That's not the point nor does it equate to what a draw is. I loved the old ECW. I'm just trying to make a point. I guess we'll agree to disagree
Juan Miguels
12-12-2006, 06:09 PM
Who cares about a "draw" besides Mcmahon? As a wrestling fan, why would you give a fuck about big name money makers?
I'm not talking about it from the aspect of a fan and was explaining why someone like Scorpio could never be champ
bawjustice
12-12-2006, 06:30 PM
i used to feel the same way untill one person got the belt
rey mysterio
if hes world tittle material so is scorpio
villin
12-13-2006, 10:32 AM
yea, if jericho can be undisputed champ any other wrestlers has just a good a chance as he.
yea, if jericho can be undisputed champ any other wrestlers has just a good a chance as he.
Jericho was the whole package - wrestling, looks, charisma, and mic skills - not to many guys have that these days. Guys like The Rock, Austin, and Jericho are hard to come across.
bawjustice
12-13-2006, 01:32 PM
Jericho was the whole package - wrestling, looks, charisma, and mic skills - not to many guys have that these days. Guys like The Rock, Austin, and Jericho are hard to come across.
jerichos in ring skills are far superior to the rock and steve austin. also hes arguably othe best at face/heel play. he can trun form one to the other with the flick of a switch.
punjabi king
12-15-2006, 10:18 PM
the greatest non champion is finlay in a landslide because he is irish all of you people hate cena but you got to admit he is smart he kisses vinny macs ass to make a couple hundred thousand dallors more anyone here would do the same thing
jerichos in ring skills are far superior to the rock and steve austin. also hes arguably othe best at face/heel play. he can trun form one to the other with the flick of a switch.
What? Austin was awesome in the ring before his multiple injuries. He was much more technical than Jericho ever was. And Jericho was the best at face/heel play? (he was damn good) But no one compared to the Rock in that dept.
bawjustice
12-16-2006, 11:02 AM
i never sadi that austins ring skills were bad
i just said that jerichos skills are way better than austins. and austins are better than the rocks. but jericho beats them all. i like austin but he stole a bit of things that werent his from ecw. but anyway, all i was tryin to say si that jericho was a much better wrestler than those 2. not saying that they totally sucked.
I can agree w/ that. In WCW Austin was f'n awesome in the ring. I don't know if you ever saw the Hollywood Blondes - but Austin and Steamboat put on some classics. I always loved Jericho though.
joeravenb
12-17-2006, 10:12 PM
top ten to never hold the world title
1.Roddy Piper
2. Ted DiBiase
3. Owen Hart
4. Jake Roberts
5. Scott Hall
6. Curt Henning
7. British Bulldog
8. Brian Pillman
9. Big Boss Man
10. Cactus Jack (mankind was champ but cactus should been one too)
Shane Douglas was a nwa/ecw champ but should of been wcw champion
Raven is a ecw champ and nwa champ but also should of been a wcw champion
that why those 2 are not on my list.
Juan Miguels
12-17-2006, 11:59 PM
top ten to never hold the world title
1.Roddy Piper
2. Ted DiBiase
3. Owen Hart
4. Jake Roberts
5. Scott Hall
6. Curt Henning
7. British Bulldog
8. Brian Pillman
9. Big Boss Man
10. Cactus Jack (mankind was champ but cactus should been one too)
Shane Douglas was a nwa/ecw champ but should of been wcw champion
Raven is a ecw champ and nwa champ but also should of been a wcw champion
sabu should of been a ecw champ he was a nwa champion
that why those 3 are not on my list.
Sabu is a 2 time ECW World Heavyweight Champion.
joeravenb
12-18-2006, 04:03 AM
damn your right i had too look it up to be sure man i cant believe i didnt know that.
villin
12-20-2006, 12:16 PM
^^if you didnt know that it makes me wonder if your just another mark
Sabu wasn't the NWA world champion either to my knowledge.
Ray18032
12-20-2006, 02:48 PM
I think Jake Roberts should have been heavyweight champ he's a legend and I loved his DDT
Juan Miguels
12-20-2006, 04:16 PM
^Did you see when Jake DDT'd Ricky Steamboat on the concrete floor for real?Steamboat was supposed to block it but he didnt and he got FUCKED up.
Ray18032
12-20-2006, 05:17 PM
^Did you see when Jake DDT'd Ricky Steamboat on the concrete floor for real?Steamboat was supposed to block it but he didnt and he got FUCKED up.
I remember that... it was pretty sick
THE_KING_OF_KINGS
12-20-2006, 07:53 PM
I'd say
1..Jake roberts
2.Jeff hardy
3.Christan
4.kennedy.......kennedy
5.carlito
joeravenb
12-20-2006, 08:37 PM
sabu was a nwa champ. and i just happened to forget he was a 2 time ecw champ.
i still cant believe i forgot that too guys sorry.
and go look it up sabu was nwa champ in 2000
Yeah, I remember. He beat Mike Rapada. But the title was meaningless then anyhoo.
joeravenb
12-20-2006, 08:58 PM
yea thats true.
villin
12-21-2006, 10:27 AM
^Did you see when Jake DDT'd Ricky Steamboat on the concrete floor for real?Steamboat was supposed to block it but he didnt and he got FUCKED up.
that was great, i relived that the other day. the snake vs dragon(really a small aligator) match was the shit too.
vkmfan
12-21-2006, 08:05 PM
Mark Henry
Juan Miguels
12-22-2006, 02:44 PM
^What? You must be joking.
"Flash Funk"(the character)
iEdge
12-23-2006, 01:39 AM
^What? You must be joking.
"Flash Funk"(the character)
He asked why Mark Henry wasnt on the Future Champs list also....
joeravenb
12-23-2006, 02:08 AM
Mark Henry could be US champ but never world champ. IMO
iEdge
12-23-2006, 01:52 PM
^I can't even see him as a US Champ, maybe sometime in like 2 years.
Juan Miguels
12-23-2006, 05:08 PM
He cant even wrestle one bit. He deserves to be a weight lifting champ, thats about it.
joeravenb
12-23-2006, 10:34 PM
^^^^^^^^^ Can he even do that anymore
badboyhoward
08-20-2007, 07:37 PM
junk yard dog,the model rick martel,jake the snake roberts,owen hart,.
The Dayman
08-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Dean Meleneko
Owen hart
Christopher daniels
davey boy smith(britsh bulldog)
Hades
08-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Rick Rude
Curt Hennig (Wait, Didn't the AWA title count as a world title.)
Owen Hart
Davey Boy Smith
Dynimite Kid
Dean Malenko
Ted Dibiase
Jake Roberts
Lance Storm
Greg Valentine
Tito Santana
Scott Hall, Owen Hart, Rick Rude, Roddy Piper, Jimmy Snuka, Ted Dibiase, Dr. Death Steve Williams, Terry Gordy and Davey Boy.
Claudio Castagnoli
Christopher Daniels
Finlay
Matt Hardy
CM Punk
Mr Kennedy
Alex Shelley
Dr. No
09-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Its so easy. Scott Razor Ramon. He's the greatest non-champion in wrestling history. He was the rock before the rock, steve austin before him, and HHH before him too. He was the ultimate bad guy dudes. He was awesome. His two classics ladder matches bout for the IC title. And the razor's edge one of the best finishes ever. He walked the walk, and talked the talk.
rynizzle24
09-01-2007, 06:29 PM
LOL Hornswoggle.Seriously though its Shelton Benjamin or Randy Orton.(Althogh he held the WH title he only held it for a month cause HHH whined like a little girl.)
Dr. No
09-01-2007, 09:24 PM
LOL too hornswoggle. No if hornswoggle won the world title evryone would stop watching SD and wwe period man. Like i said its the razor. The wrestler who should have been wwe champ and have a long title reign at that too. How Nash got a wwe title run, and a long and corny one, and not ramon. Its gay.
Dj Ryu
09-02-2007, 04:17 AM
Scott Hall, Roddy Piper, Dean Malenko, Mr Perfect, Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, British Bulldog.
Squizzy
09-02-2007, 05:22 AM
LOL Hornswoggle.Seriously though its Shelton Benjamin or Randy Orton.(Althogh he held the WH title he only held it for a month cause HHH whined like a little girl.)
Shelton WHC??? no way... i mean yes he is talented and is underated atm but a world title? no way
Dr. No
09-02-2007, 09:37 AM
Shelton Benjamin not ready yet for a title reign. First he has to get a push.
davrho
09-02-2007, 09:52 AM
me
Dr. No
09-02-2007, 09:53 AM
Have you wrestled before dude.
rynizzle24
09-02-2007, 10:17 AM
You guys are right Shelton would need one hell of a push. He would need to dye his hair back to its natural color.
Dr. No
09-02-2007, 10:19 AM
And also leave Charlie Fuck Haas too. And go to ecw to get better and change his self, then go back to smackdown, and become u.s. champ. He could turn to a face when in ecw cause they have too many heels, then when he goes to SD become a heel again.
rynizzle24
09-02-2007, 10:48 AM
Definitely. Then he could win the Rumble in 2009 cause the push would seem too fast.lol they could have Shelton as Vince's son.
Dr. No
09-02-2007, 10:12 PM
Hell to the naw. Shelton black. But vince could have had some late night action with his mom years back though.
fmwfan
09-02-2007, 10:22 PM
Jake Roberts, Mr.Kennedy...Kennedy, Owen Heart, Mr.Perfect, MVP, Million Dollar Man, Roddy Piper there are others
Dr. No
09-02-2007, 10:26 PM
M.V.P. and Kennedy will get their chance. And once again Razor Ramon. Ted Dibiase was never a wrestler really he was a manager, Hart would eventually won a world title but died, and Piper and Roberts did'nt want to be champ because of the extra work they would have to do. As long as they where one of the best and making an impact in the company they where fine. Ramon wanted the belt so bad but vince dumbass like usually put the belt on someone esle who could'nt really wrestle good, and that was Kevin Nash.
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